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May 25, 2010

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Bretigne

Hi Feltbot,

I’ve responded to some related comments over at OpenSalon.com (http://open.salon.com/blog/bretigne/2010/05/25/the_rand_paul_kerfuffle_its_not_about_racism) where this also appeared, but just briefly:

The thing is, before the civil rights act was passed, discrimination was enforced by *law*. Jim Crow laws were just that -- laws. Businesses were forced by their various state governments to abide by them. The irony here is that the people who passed these laws very likely used the same reasoning you resort to here: “We don’t like the choices people make when they are allowed to associate on a voluntary basis, so we are going to restrict those choices by law.” Instead of the scary all-white airlines that you propose, it would have been the scary black man dancing with your daughter or niece. But the underlying reasoning is the same: If I (or a majority of voters) don’t approve of the choices other people make with their own lives and property, then I get to use force to make them alter those choices". In neither case is the argument valid in my book.

“I do not see unwarranted government intervention or force in requiring businesses that willingly engage in interstate commerce, with all the government supplied facilities that entails, not to discriminate on the basis of race.”

So... because the state interferes with commerce and maintains a monopoly for itself in things like roads, etc. this somehow justifies the additional use of force in regulating heretofore voluntary association? Sorry, I just don’t get that. And I don’t see anything “civil” about it either.

“Would individual airlines have the right to refuse service to all non-whites? What if all airlines excercised this right?”

Well, think about it. If *every* airline refused to serve non-white customers, wouldn’t that leave a huge market opportunity for someone else to start up an airline that *did* serve non-white customers? They’d have that whole market to themselves, and would make a fortune. I can’t imagine, in the absence of government force prohibiting it, that the status quo of every airline refusing to serve non-white customers would last for very long.

And no, of course what you describe is not the world I want to live in -- but neither is a world where violent force is used to resolve any problem that arises between people (which is kind of what we live in now, and you might have noticed it’s not too friendly to non-whites either). What is also worth remembering is that the world you describe was already changing due in large part to the civil-rights movement. Businesses were *already* starting to desegregate before the passage of the civil rights law. This is change that was brought about by voluntary, peaceful protest, *not* by “benevolent government”. It is interesting to me that this history has been twisted in the minds of most Americans to turn this episode into another justification for government force in our lives.

feltbot

I wonder how far you are willing to go with this train of thought, Bretigne? Would individual airlines have the right to refuse service to all non-whites? What if all airlines excercised this right?

Before the civil rights act was passed there were a lot of legendary stories about professional athletes having to stay apart from their teammates on the road, and of professional musicians having to sleep and eat on the bus. Which is to say nothing of the routine humiliation of segregated businesses. Is this the world you want to live in?

I do not see unwarranted government intervention or force in requiring businesses that willingly engage in interstate commerce, with all the government supplied facilities that entails, not to discriminate on the basis of race.

In fact, I regard it as a fundamental cornerstone of our civil society.

Bruce Majors

Not only do they not care if you are a war monger as long as you buy into so-called "liberal" myths about civil rights regimes, they don't care if you sell generations of black kids into illiteracy and slavery in exchange for money from the educrat unions.

They idea that "progressives" in America are anything other than objectively racist pro-regressives is ludicrous.

Paul Bonneau

Bretigne, I just found you (via lewrockwell) and am enjoying reading your point of view. I too have to question what people consider the norm in society, and it is strange to me that so few do question it. Most are like fish, unaware there is water.

As you touched on tolerance, you might be interested in my article here:
http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2009/tle523-20090614-08.html

Cristy

Found my way here from Lew Rockwell. Excellent article and I look forward to reading more-- there just aren't enough female libertarian voices out there!

Clay Stallworth

I would like to add something of value to your post, but I can't think of anything that you didn't nail perfectly regarding the Rand Paul Kerfuffle. And you stated it much more clearly that I would have. I would perhaps have expressed disappointment that he didn't stick resolutely to his point when pressed on the issue, but I understand that would have been pointless, given that most people seem not to think, but rather simply react, to issues put before them.

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